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Is This Maybe an Interesting Idea?

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Is This Maybe an Interesting Idea?

Postby Duckett » Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:25 am

I know there's many ways to convert an analog signal into a binary one, but here's a late-night/early morning idea (or question, really) that popped up when I'd been examining a module called "Myco's 0 or 1" which seems to do a fine job of taking streams and binarizing them... if one wanted to take the binarized stream and look at, for instance, every 16 or 32 "bits" and assign a binary value to that chunk based on whether there are more zeroes, or more ones, in it.

I'm always searching for new methods to add potential movement and interest to parameters without simply making it accessible to DAW automation; REAPER, for example, has always been great for its plugin parameter automation options, but there's certain complexities that arise from internal cross-modulation and parameter interdependence that an automation script just can't duplicate.. there's still plenty of room for "happy accidents" in the digital realm.

Admittedly, I'm much better with words, pictures, and sounds than the realm of pure numbers- I often seem to retain just enough working knowledge to either reinvent the wheel (while still using too many parts), or allow myself occasional delusions of plugin grandeur ;)
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Re: Is This Maybe an Interesting Idea?

Postby Duckett » Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:51 pm

So- not even putting the subject title as a question is enough to provoke a reply?

Not even a "No, this is not interesting"? I'm picturing a lot of embarrassed coughing and turning away.
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Re: Is This Maybe an Interesting Idea?

Postby nix » Tue Mar 01, 2022 6:55 pm

no- heh, it's not noise, your thread

but that's what I'm thinking-
look into noise/random/generative

also- if you are focussing on black and white- 0 and 1 or -1 and 1,
pulse waves are your friend.
The old step LFO can be set so it has 2 or 3 values

-also bit-crushing and decimating could yield some quantized results
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Re: Is This Maybe an Interesting Idea?

Postby Tepeix » Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:17 pm

I was not really understanding the purpose.

But i just see this video on bit depht in digital sound : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4JEMCQMwOM

Making me think, maybe we could store 2 16 bit variables in the one normal 32 bit, then make calculation on them
and get back 2 variables ?
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Re: Is This Maybe an Interesting Idea?

Postby Spogg » Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:50 am

Duckett wrote:So- not even putting the subject title as a question is enough to provoke a reply?

Not even a "No, this is not interesting"? I'm picturing a lot of embarrassed coughing and turning away.


I read every post but I don’t respond if I can’t offer anything useful. In this case I didn’t really understand but I hoped someone else would and could offer something!
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Re: Is This Maybe an Interesting Idea?

Postby Duckett » Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:32 pm

Thanks for the replies gang.. I know I'm probably going about things a weird way conceptually, but things get muddled at times with different paradigms- analog/control voltage, binary, and of course the way different environments attempt to represent their real-world equivalents have various concepts and terms which are not interchangeable, but the ol' grey matter is bare-minimum rigorous.. concepts which I can understand enough to get interesting results within VCV Rack, for example (analog-to-digital/digital-to-analog 8-bit register modules, for example) get mangled in translation when thinking "Hm, what flavor of this might be interesting in an effect or instrument".. I'm never afraid to try naive reverse-engineering or the like when just exploring an idea, as I'm not particularly attached to bragging rights or points for tidiness, if what's tickling my eardrums is interesting and worth pursuing.

So, the idea I brought up before- a converter to take mono or poly signals, send them to an "ADC", and determine the binary conversion output based on if there are more ones or more zeroes in the "register"...the return question seems to be, "why do you need this?" and, sometimes the answer is, "I make the thing first and then I find out what it's good at" ;)
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Re: Is This Maybe an Interesting Idea?

Postby Tepeix » Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:59 pm

Hi,

I was thinking about this idea and make this little code.

Taking the MV Random white noise as input, the code transfer -1 to 1 float to 0-255 int.
Then isolate the 8 first bit and output them.

I don't know if there's more fast way to isolate those ?
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