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Postby k brown » Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:20 am

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Not trying to be a troll or anything - but why are you always capitalizing the words me, my, we and you. Is this a Canadian thing - I've never seen it before; personally it drives me crazy.
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Re: New LA Bands 2 EQ

Postby wlangfor@uoguelph.ca » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:17 am

k brown wrote:Not trying to be a troll or anything - but why are you always capitalizing the words me, my, we and you. Is this a Canadian thing - I've never seen it before; personally it drives me crazy.
Yeah, it's not trolling; just I never got used to slang writing is all. I guess I'm strict and I still use the methods like I was taught in school. I guess anything that refers to a person is capitalized.
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Re: New LA Bands 2 EQ

Postby k brown » Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:14 am

What's slang got to do with it?
What school teaches capitalization of me, my, we and you?
Again - is this a Canadian thing?
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Re: New LA Bands 2 EQ

Postby Spogg » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:41 am

I just looked into Canadian capitalisation style but it doesn’t mention me, my etc.

https://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tcdns ... t4&info0=4

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Re: New LA Bands 2 EQ

Postby wlangfor@uoguelph.ca » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:48 pm

Spogg wrote:I just looked into Canadian capitalisation style but it doesn’t mention me, my etc.

https://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tcdns ... t4&info0=4

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Yeah, I had a few strict teachers, I'm not sure of it either. I just didn't question. I never lost any marks surprisingly. Could have been a certain teacher maybe. I don't know. Every Uncle, Aunt and Parent I have is a teacher, literally.
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Re: Language Corrections

Postby trogluddite » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:49 pm

Hey! I'm supposed to be the head language pedant around here! :lol:

k brown wrote:Not trying to be a troll or anything - but why are you always capitalizing the words me, my, we and you. Is this a Canadian thing - I've never seen it before; personally it drives me crazy.

You were asking questions; so where were your question marks? Is this an American thing? What school would ever allow such egregious omissions? It drives me crazy to see such sloppy punctuation - and from a fellow pedant of all people! :twisted:

Skitt's law (Bell's Law/Muphry's Law): Any attempt to highlight language errors online will contain at least one such error itself.

A short parable on the subject of language pedantry

Most days, I spend a few hours using autism community forums. I have become used to interacting with people for whom figurative language is impossible to comprehend; people with very limited vocabularies; people who struggle with pragmatics (the social intent of language); people baffled by the rules of orthography (written language), and so on. Sometimes this leads to a great deal of misunderstanding, and considerable effort is required so that we can all get along (mostly!). Somewhat ironically, for hyperlexic autistics such as myself, being "driven crazy" by what we see as non-standard use of language is also a very common trait. However, I doubt very much that this is as frustrating as many of the developmental deficits and learning disabilities which can lead to such language anomalies.

In fact, it is only because I communicate with you all via the medium of writing that my own language deficits are hidden - I can edit what I'm saying to make myself seem much more coherent than when I'm conversing in real-time or verbally. I am literally rendered speechless quite easily by sensory hyper-sensitivity. Loss of language faculties due to stress can be bizarrely specific sometimes, for example; being perfectly capable of writing a legible note while simultaneously unable to read what I'm writing, or even to be sure that the scribble I'm looking at is writing at all.

I have also learned that even the most severe of language impairments are not a reliable guide to anyone's intelligence or abilities in any other respect. Some of the most perceptive and profound things I have ever read were written by people who have to endure being endlessly deprecated as "retards". Less severe language deficits are often ignorantly attributed to any number of false causes. These experiences have tempered my tendency to police other people's language - unless clarification is necessary, my intent is to help them avoid a sticky situation, or I have been asked to comment.

Whether or not LeAttol capitalises his personal pronouns makes absolutely no difference to the substance of his posts, and, in the context of this forum, nor does it matter why he does this, nor even whether it is intentional or not. But, of course, I didn't really need to say that, as no doubt we were all merely curious about Canadian English orthography! ;)

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Re: Language Corrections

Postby k brown » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:19 am

All well taken and I'm done - wasn't meant so much as personal criticism (though it makes his posts pretty irritating to read, and I bet I'm not alone) as much as genuinely curious (sociologically) where such a thing comes from - he claims he was taught this in school, but I've never heard of such a thing; hence my inquiring about Canada. If it was just a specific teacher he had, they're incompetent nuts and should be fired - I mean teaching kids to do this? (there, question mark). :)
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Re: Language Corrections

Postby trogluddite » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:17 am

k brown wrote:genuinely curious (sociologically) where such a thing comes from

Yes, those kind of things make me curious too; I'm quite a keen amateur linguist. I do also appreciate how jarring atypical orthography can be. One consequence of being hyperlexic is that analysis of any words in my field of vision is a compulsion - posters/signs/etc. behind someone that I'm trying to have a conversation with often become an irresistible distraction, and orthographic errors draw my eye in a similarly distracting way. This is very useful for proof-reading work, but not so great when I'm trying to socialise in a pub with beer-mats all over the walls! Hence the parable and a gentle nudge, rather than fetching out the forum rule book!

Linguistically, the errant capitalisation seems to be a problem of categories. Proper nouns and the word "I" are always capitalised, and from there it's not too big a stretch to include all words with a person as the referent. Some might see this as making the rules a little simpler, or at least an alternative categorisation which is more intuitive to some people. I certainly have never heard of such a thing being taught, though I could well imagine it as a consequence of the typical rules being taught badly, or possibly as a best compromise where a person's ability to comprehend or internalise a more complete set of rules is compromised in some way.

The capitalisation rules of English are pretty arbitrary rules to begin with; there have been periods during the history of English orthography when nearly all nouns were capitalised (as persists in German), and it was once perfectly acceptable to use Capitalisation For Emphasis, as we might italics. The rules we have now were essentially cherry-picked by a self-selecting group of grammarians in the late 18th Century - that they seem so natural to many of us is more down to familiarity than to any objective measure of their utility.
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Re: Language Corrections

Postby wlangfor@uoguelph.ca » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:22 am

Yeah, I looked it up maybe you're right? Hmm, oh well.

Found it online here:
https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/capitalization/10-rules-of-capitalization.html
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Re: Language Corrections

Postby Spogg » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:04 am

Trog, you’ve provided an amazing insight into your own strain of autism, in this and other posts. I’ve often wondered what it’s like to have these atypical conditions and, although I can’t experience them myself, I’m so grateful for your sharing of them. It feels like a non-Vulcan mind meld! :lol:

My hope is that, by writing this down, you get as much from it as I do from reading it.

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